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08 September 2010 @ 11:57 pm
can't you see we're at gentlemen
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grashupfergrashupfer on September 9th, 2010 01:49 pm (UTC)
Everybody's talking about that episode. Can't wait to see it.
all_unnecessary: 11all_unnecessary on September 10th, 2010 12:47 am (UTC)
I am loving the Peggy n Don show this season.
A pelican named Thelthelican on September 9th, 2010 04:19 pm (UTC)
Yes! The buddy movie shot.
all_unnecessaryall_unnecessary on September 10th, 2010 12:45 am (UTC)
It totally made me think of Lacan.

Have you seen the Sad Don Draper meme around yet?
A pelican named Thelthelican on September 10th, 2010 01:55 am (UTC)
I'm blanking on the Lacan allusion. Remind me?

I hadn't seen the meme - but now I have!
all_unnecessary: 11all_unnecessary on September 10th, 2010 02:38 am (UTC)
It's from the "Agency of the letter" essay: "can't you see we're at Gentlemen," goes the little girl's reply.

And this is my favorite of the Sad Don Draper meme:

A pelican named Thelthelican on September 10th, 2010 02:54 am (UTC)
Gender Trouble!
Oh, you're right! I had really, totally forgotten that train conversation - but it's kinda perfect. And that moment in the episode is so fantastic: Do I go in the door marked 'Gentleman,' or do I drag him into 'Ladies'? Gentleman it is.

And Bert Cooper has no balls and Peggy is unfianced.

I can't partake of the meme. It messes with my suspension of disbelief.
all_unnecessary: 11all_unnecessary on September 10th, 2010 03:39 am (UTC)
partaking of the meme optional
Yeah, that scene had me crying.

The meme is kind of crap, actually - I find it unfunny and derivative - except for the one above. Which wins for both its historical memory and formal concision (not to mention its thematic pertinence). Totally made me want to listen to Sonic Youth.

Take a walk in the park, shit yeah!

But then there's the episode - the question of sex (and sex!) being raised again and again throughout the ep, and roundly dismissed. She finally tells him her family thinks he's the father of her child (of course he's not), she finally asks why he didn't ever try to sleep with her (she really is out of bounds for him), that moment when he holds her hand (so not a come-on), etc. "You never say thank you!" "That's what the money's for!!" Somehow they've found a way to communicate through the miserable fog of gender and class expectations, and it's not about fucking.

NB: I will smash my face into a flat surface if they end up married in a subsequent season.
A pelican named Thelthelican on September 10th, 2010 09:27 pm (UTC)
Re: partaking of the meme optional
One reason, I think, that Peggy and Don's relationship is so great, is that it's portrayed so subtly. It's like, all this time, with a few exceptions, they've communicated very tacitly. They've witnessed more than a few upsets in each other's private lives, but that's all it's been: witnessing, not discussing. In that respect, they might be the great observers of each other's lives.

The conversation between them that drifts toward sex maybe seems all the franker, and more surprising, because Peggy has had to present herself as kind of an asexual (at least sexually defused) presence to the men she's working with in order to gain any sense of collegiality. (Reminds me a lot of Clarice in The Silence of the Lambs.) I suppose that's another thing that's interesting about this season: if wardrobe and hair is any indication, Peggy seems to be becoming more attractive in a feminine way while simultaneously becoming more and more attached to her career. This idea that you could maybe be both?

The hand hold at the end was really great: how it nods at the same gesture that's made in the pilot episode for the wrong reason. Remember how, then, Don says, "I'm your boss, not your boyfriend, Peggy," before removing his hand. And this time, he's the one who puts his hand there, but for a reason neither of them would have considered during that very first day of Peggy's at Sterling Cooper.

If they end up married (which, at this point, does not seem like a classy solution), it would be acceptable only in the form of a discussion about it, between them, in the series finale.
all_unnecessary: 11all_unnecessary on September 11th, 2010 10:22 pm (UTC)
Re: partaking of the meme optional
I forgot about that scene in the pilot - even better!